[Mail_treas] [Treas] 100% behind efforts on personal liability issue
Joel Parker
joel at elida.k12.oh.us
Thu Feb 22 15:22:46 EST 2018
Great points....my question is---when will someone get this excited about
the $600,000,000.00 ECOT ran off with---make that job #1!
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From: Rob Ogg <rob.ogg at crooksville.k12.oh.us>
To: Kim Jones <k_jones at pauldingschools.org>
Cc: Chelsea Baldwin <cbaldwin at wlstigers.org>, "Elizabeth Arnold
(no_larnold at seovec.org)" <no_larnold at seovec.org>, Lori Statler
<lstatler at claymontschools.org>, Roxanne Mazur
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<kjohnson at anthonywayneschools.org>, "Paul Brotzki - Maumee Schools
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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 15:03:40 -0500
Subject: Re: [Treas] 100% behind efforts on personal liability issue
I often wonder if Josh Mandel is personally liable for all that happens in
all state offices?
I was told that insurance carriers are willing to write personal liability
coverages for Treasurers but they are strictly prohibited by our state
legislature. Seems like an attack on our profession and not on protecting
public funds.
I am not sure of the reasoning.
Thanks for sharing!
Rob
On Feb 22, 2018 2:54 PM, "Kim Jones" <k_jones at pauldingschools.org
[mailto:k_jones at pauldingschools.org]> wrote:
Thanks for sharing!!!! I agree with all of you!
On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 2:40 PM, Chelsea Baldwin <cbaldwin at wlstigers.org
[mailto:cbaldwin at wlstigers.org]> wrote:
I am a new Treasurer, (July 1st) and I was astonished to learn how much
liability I just took on with this job. Besides trying to learn the job I
have some anxiety about my liability, especially for so many things that are
out of my control. Please keep advocating for change!
Chelsea Baldwin
Treasurer
West Liberty-Salem School
937-465-1075 ext 113 [tel:(937)%20465-1075]
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Cc: Roxanne Mazur <roxanne.mazur at carrolltonschools.org
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[mailto:matt.king at bevsd.org]; Kerri Johnson
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<kjohnson at anthonywayneschools.org
[mailto:kjohnson at anthonywayneschools.org]>; Paul Brotzki - Maumee Schools
(PBrotzki at maumeek12.org [mailto:PBrotzki at maumeek12.org])
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Jamie Rossler <jrossler at mail.rossford.k12.oh.us
[mailto:jrossler at mail.rossford.k12.oh.us]>; Jane Fruth
<JFruth at districtland.nwoca.org [mailto:JFruth at districtland.nwoca.org]>; Pam
Harrington <treasurer at perrysburgschools.net
[mailto:treasurer at perrysburgschools.net]>; bmarkland at tuslawschools.org
[mailto:bmarkland at tuslawschools.org]; Jeff Fouke <jfouke at wls4kids.org
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Subject: Re: [Treas] 100% behind efforts on personal liability issue
I agree with all above and boy, do I miss Londa Schwierking! She was
someone who was so knowledgeable and reliable for the right answers. Let me
know what I can do to help.
Thanks,
Liz
On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 2:20 PM, Lori Statler <lstatler at claymontschools.org
[mailto:lstatler at claymontschools.org]> wrote:
I agree with Roxanne. This not something that an Auditor of State committee
can address. This is something that OASBO, as our representatives, need to
lobby the legislature to change for our benefit. Maybe if we all stopped
paying our annual dues, something might change.
Lori Statler,CFO/Treasurer
Claymont City School District
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On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 2:06 PM, Roxanne Mazur
<roxanne.mazur at carrolltonschools.org
[mailto:roxanne.mazur at carrolltonschools.org]> wrote:
BELOW is an email I sent to our SEOASBO President last year....My feelings
have not changed any.
Hi Denise,
I will be on vacation. I am pretty sure I owe dues. Who is the Treasurer so
I can ask and forward? I want to be up-to-date on my obligations,
BECAUSE…..
I want to be the instigator (and would hope that others would support me) in
getting OASBO back to work for Treasurers. I do not need OASBO to tell me
which software I want or what vendor I want for a service. I need OASBO to
lobby for me where it counts! Years ago they were to pick up the mantle to
protect Treasurers from being accountable for things we have no control
over. Right now, especially in my world, the Supt has all the authority over
employees ( I was directly told in this District, that I have no authority
over employees) and I am fine with that, but now I am the one with all the
potential sanctions? That makes a lot of sense doesn’t it? I don’t hire
nor am I consulted on hiring, I don’t fire, I cannot discipline, I cannot
reassign, etc. I really would like to know from the State Auditor’s point
of view how it came to be that sanctions name the Treasurer and NOT the
Supt. Sounds to me like BASA or other orgs that Supt belong to, had more of
a voice than OASBO.
Another point of contention is that when Treasurers take on a Supt who is
“running off the rails”, Treasurers lose whether it was justified or
not. Not long before she passed, Londa Schwierking told me of the Treasurer
who lost his job doing the “right” thing of exposing a Supt who was not
ethical. Supt was shucked, but then so was the Treasurer for starting it
all. If legislature wants us to be the police, fine; I can handle that, but
the police aren’t going to police without protection. That is like sending
a real cop into gang neighborhoods without guns or body armor. The Cops
aren’t going to do anything but drive through the neighborhood, at best.
Most people when facing the choice of keeping their job or stirring crap,
are going to choose keeping their job UNLESS they have protection. So unless
that gets built in, the policing is just token for appearance sake. Who
knows, maybe that is all legislators want; a good appearance. And maybe
I’m an idiot for thinking that most legislators really want to affect REAL
checks and balances for the system that is educating our young. But if they
really do want the right thing done, someone needs to lead them to the light
of how that really GETS DONE!
Thanks for listening to me.
Roxanne
On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 9:02 AM, Richard Cox <RCox at esclakeeriewest.org
[mailto:RCox at esclakeeriewest.org]> wrote:
Today, I have read David Flemings email today concerning the personal
liability School Treasurers face each day while other school personnel are
not held to the same standards and whole heartedly agree this needs to be
addressed.
Please convey my support when you take these concerns to the AOS forum
through OASBO to get the Auditor of State to listen to our objections of
making the School Treasurer's often times the scapegoat for other's misdeeds
and fraud against schools.
I can attest to the dramatic effect this had on myself in the past and the
threat of loss of personal assets can have and our voices need to be heard.
I know others have faced this as well and the need to change this is now.
In addition, OASBO needs to provide partnership and support through the
legislative channels and also search for a personal liability insurance
approach for Treasurers. I have often searched for fiduciary liability
insurance and cannot find such an instrument. This issue needs to be
addressed as a collective and aggressive campaign to get this changed.
It is time this needs to be addressed and whatever I can do push this effort
please let me know. I think about this every day and whoever needs
contacted please let us all know.
Richard Cox
Treasurer
Educational Service Center of Lake Erie West
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